xavier duvet a écrit:
la version cd n'est pas complète, il manque moby dick qui fait plus de 17mn, qui se trouvait sur la version vinyl d'origines (4 disques)
Les vinyls d'origine n'ont à priori ni plus ni moins de durée que la plupart des bootlegs qui circulent (excepté effectivement la version de swinging pig). Ici un comparatif en durée et en qualité des différentes versions :
4-27-77
Destroyer (Cobra, Empress Valley, Flesh, Last Stand Disc, & Shout To the Top), The Destroyers (Tarantura & Tarantura 2000), The Destroyer Gold (Tarantura), Final Statements (Antrabata), & Supreme Destroyers I (Empress Valley, 9cd & 3cd)
Both original Tarantura releases are exactly alike in respect to cuts but are equalized differently. These two titles are missing the first 3.5 seconds of the opening song. They are also missing about 70 seconds of White Summer / Black Mountain Side. A few seconds are also lost at the cut just before Achilles Last Stand. The tape used was highly edited, removing about 5 minutes of tape from between songs.
Antrabata and Shout To the Top are almost completely identical. There are edits between songs too. They both are among the poorest sounding triple cd titles ever released.
Cobra and LSD are both exactly alike in respect to cuts and to good sound. They are missing the first second of the opening song and only have a few edits between songs.
The Tarantura 2000 claims to be the longest version and the best sounding. It is missing the first half second of the Song Remains the Same. Like the original Tarantura releases, this one too is missing about 70 seconds of White Summer and it's warm-up. There are distinct changes in sound with each song. The changes are so abrupt, they sound like cuts. The songs are much louder than the time between songs. Additionally, evidence of further tweaking can be heard between songs. (It's the same treatment they've used before, making the audience sound a little like birds. This time it isn't as heavy handed as with earlier titles.) Other less than natural sounds can be hear after Dying and during the cut and repeat after Moby.
Flesh's release is the worst sounding of them all. It is totally overblown - not simply over amplified like Antrabata and STTT, but overblown…ruined. The background is rough and muffled without loosing too much of the higher frequencies. At points during the acoustic set, the "equalization" makes the guitars and Bonham sound completely irritating. It's White Summer isn't incomplete like the three Tara's.
The Empress Valley Destroyer is by far, the best sounding and most complete release ever issued. (Unfortunately, the last dozen seconds of tape after the show seem to be faked by repeating a section.)
Empress Valley's Supreme Destroyers I is a step down from it's original Destroyer. There's a strange sound problem (brief) about 1.5 minutes into Going To California that's not found on any other titles. After that track, the sound trouble starts again and lasts into the beginning of Black Country Woman. Later during that track, the left channel begins to dominate the right. It continues through the end of the disc. It's music and background are not as loud as their original Destroyer. The 9cd box and 3cd release both use the same discs.
Personnellement, je conseille la version "Master reels > DAT" ( issue de l'enregistrement effectué par le Zep, ce soundboard servira pour le soundcheck de la tournée 77) elle est complète (par rapport à ce qu'il y a de disponible de ce concert) et de très bonne qualité. Sinon la version "normale" de EVSD tient la route.
Pour ce qui est incomplet sur toutes (?) les versions, c'est effectivement le début de TSRTS, je crois que les rares versions complètes sorties se sont avérées être des fakes (c'est un patch de la tournée 73 ou du 77-05-21 qui est utilisé).
Sinon, à part le fait que le Destroyer est peut-être le bootleg le plus vendu (c'est le premier que j'ai acheté !!), c'est plus la qualité de l'enregistrement que la qualité de la perf' qui fait sa renommée (le concert du lendemain, au niveau de la perf, est quand même un cran au dessus).
Si vous souhaitez éclaircir définitivement cette histoire entre les versions vinyl/Master reels/bootlegs, le meilleur moyen, c'est quand même de s'uploader des samples.
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venusohm a écrit:
Je n'ai rien contre JPJ, à l'exception de ses années Clayderman de 77 à 80.